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    Greg Hunter
    Greg Hunter
    Muskets: 6,596

    Hunter’s Notebook: Player Movement Inside And Outside WVU Allan Taylor of MetroNews has reported via Twitter that former Mountaineer quarterback Chris
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    #66942
    Butlereer
    Butlereer
    Muskets: 77,375
    Rank: Heisman Winner

    Good for Chugs. I hope he sees a lot of playing time in Columbus.

    One thing that is still concerning is the total number of schollie players. Before giv2 walk-ons the recent schollies we were 10 below the limit. Just think what we could have done with depth at some of the very thin positions with 10 more schollie players.

    It may take a few years for Holgs to get those numbers back up to 85 again.

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    Ccteam
    Muskets: 62,003
    Rank: Heisman Winner

    Do I detect a dislike for Buckeye football in that Chuggs comment?

    #66975
    Kevin Kinder
    Kevin Kinder
    Muskets: 8,975

    Good for Chugs. I hope he sees a lot of playing time in Columbus.

    One thing that is still concerning is the total number of schollie players. Before giv2 walk-ons the recent schollies we were 10 below the limit. Just think what we could have done with depth at some of the very thin positions with 10 more schollie players.

    It may take a few years for Holgs to get those numbers back up to 85 again.

    It is a concern, but with the yearly limit of 25 for D1 newcomers, it can take a bit. Transfers from other D1 schools or those that have been in D1 before don’t count, so you can build up a bit more quickly with those, but everyone we talk to at WVU notes that you don’t want to give those out just to give them.

    This is our count right now.  This is always available under the Football menu at the top of any page on this site.

    #67019

    WVUWP
    Muskets: 14,260
    Rank: All-American

    Good for Chugs. I hope he sees a lot of playing time in Columbus.

    One thing that is still concerning is the total number of schollie players. Before giv2 walk-ons the recent schollies we were 10 below the limit. Just think what we could have done with depth at some of the very thin positions with 10 more schollie players.

    It may take a few years for Holgs to get those numbers back up to 85 again.

    It is a concern, but with the yearly limit of 25 for D1 newcomers, it can take a bit. Transfers from other D1 schools or those that have been in D1 before don’t count, so you can build up a bit more quickly with those, but everyone we talk to at WVU notes that you don’t want to give those out just to give them.

    This is our count right now. This is always available under the Football menu at the top of any page on this site.

    Kevin, this is the first time I’ve heard that D1 transfers or those who have been in D1 before don’t count toward the annual limit of 25 scholarships. I’m not here to pick nits and obviously you know far more about this than I ever will, but I based just on this year’s class, I think it’s pretty obvious that everyone counts. I disagree with that rule as I think it hinders teams’ ability to rebuild to the full boat of 85 schoalrships, but it’s still the rule.

    Based on the BGN commitment list (https://bluegoldnews.com/2018-fb-commitment-list/) there are 24 players in the 2018 class. My understanding was that Tavis Lee and Angus Davies were to report late to camp and “blue shirt” (count toward next year’s class), which would take the class down to 22, with the other 3 spots being for Jabril Robinson, Kenny Bigelow, and Denzel Fisher (or a CB transfer). We now know that Davies never made it in (actually he got here and immediately turned around and left) and Fisher didn’t pan out, so the final 3 spots went to Robinson, Bigelow, and Lee. If D1 transfers and JUCOs who had previously been D1 don’t count toward the limit, Robinson, Bigelow, Norwood, Washington, and one of the Brown brothers wouldn’t have counted toward the limit of 25. Thus, if that were the case, why did we not take more in this class?

    #67028
    Greg Hunter
    Greg Hunter
    Muskets: 6,596

    The Alabama transfer linebacker VanDarius Cowan counts to the class of 2018 and thus takes the 25th and final scholarship in this class.

    #67030

    mexman
    Muskets: 34,065
    Rank: Heisman Winner

    Are we seeing a bit of the same RROD mistakes by Holgs? That is focusing too much on offense and particularly skill positions to the detriment of depth elsewhere, specifically on defense?

    #67033
    Greg Hunter
    Greg Hunter
    Muskets: 6,596

    Mex, Interesting question. I did a little digging, counting up the scholarship numbers. Of the 77 players WVU currently has on scholarship, 37 are offensive players, 37 are defensive players and three are specialists. So, right now, the scholarship numbers are split straight down the middle.

    #67054
    Butlereer
    Butlereer
    Muskets: 77,375
    Rank: Heisman Winner

    The Alabama transfer linebacker VanDarius Cowan counts to the class of 2018 and thus takes the 25th and final scholarship in this class.

    That doesn’t answer WVUWP’s question…..
    “We now know that Davies never made it in (actually he got here and immediately turned around and left) and Fisher didn’t pan out, so the final 3 spots went to Robinson, Bigelow, and Lee. If D1 transfers and JUCOs who had previously been D1 don’t count toward the limit, Robinson, Bigelow, Norwood, Washington, and one of the Brown brothers wouldn’t have counted toward the limit of 25. Thus, if that were the case, why did we not take more in this class?”
    There are 5 in this class of 25 that went to former D1 players. If former D1 players don’t count toward the 25 why couldn’t we have filled those spots?

    #67062
    Greg Hunter
    Greg Hunter
    Muskets: 6,596

    Transfers all count towards the 25 maximum.

    #67138
    Kevin Kinder
    Kevin Kinder
    Muskets: 8,975

    Totally fumbled on this issue. Not sure what I was thinking of. My apologies.

    I am reading through the NCAA Manual now as penance.

    #67145
    Butlereer
    Butlereer
    Muskets: 77,375
    Rank: Heisman Winner

    Kevin, D1 transfers not counting would have been a great thought…… but….. So, while you’re reading the manual, get out the BB manual and show us where it says you can give a walk on a schollie then take it back and still have him as a walk on. I’ve not been able to find that anywhere. And the exact wording of giving a schollie to a 1st year player, letting him play under that schollie for a year or so and then him giving it up to another player and then walking on. This is a very foggy area that has been tested a few times in the past.

    #67148
    Butlereer
    Butlereer
    Muskets: 77,375
    Rank: Heisman Winner

    Do I detect a dislike for Buckeye football in that Chuggs comment?

    What would make you think that there is a dislike for tOSU in my comment?
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    Ummm, Sir, you are correct. The _uckeyes (insert any letter here) seem to buy their way out of every problem, buy their way into many recruits.

    #67187

    Ccteam
    Muskets: 62,003
    Rank: Heisman Winner

    I can’t see a scenario where Chuggs getting a lot of playing time in Columbus is consistent with Buckeye success.

    #67199

    WVUWP
    Muskets: 14,260
    Rank: All-American

    I can’t see a scenario where Chuggs getting a lot of playing time in Columbus is consistent with Buckeye success.

    Exactly!

    #67200

    WVUWP
    Muskets: 14,260
    Rank: All-American

    Totally fumbled on this issue. Not sure what I was thinking of. My apologies.

    I am reading through the NCAA Manual now as penance.

    Don’t beat yourself up, Kevin! I just wanted to make sure I wasn’t missing something.

    I thought Lee took the last scholly rather than Cowan, since Lee is eligible to play this season and Cowan is not. At least that’s what I would have done. Of course, I could be wrong there too.

    #67220
    Kevin Kinder
    Kevin Kinder
    Muskets: 8,975

    Kevin, D1 transfers not counting would have been a great thought…… but….. So, while you’re reading the manual, get out the BB manual and show us where it says you can give a walk on a schollie then take it back and still have him as a walk on. I’ve not been able to find that anywhere. And the exact wording of giving a schollie to a 1st year player, letting him play under that schollie for a year or so and then him giving it up to another player and then walking on. This is a very foggy area that has been tested a few times in the past.

    My first guess is this: since scholarships don’t have to be guaranteed for four years, the situation you are talking about would be permitted without specific language. That is, at the end of year two, the coach says you aren’t getting your scholly renewed for next year, and there’s nothing that prevents that.

    Here’s a couple of related statements from the manual. I’m not a lawyer, so those of you who may be, feel free to chime in:

    “Institutional financial aid may be awarded for any term during which a student-athlete is in regular attendance as an undergraduate with eligibility remaining under Bylaw 12.8, or as a graduate eligible under Bylaw 14.6.”

    This phrase appears more than once, and seems to set the parameters for aid “for any term”. As in, any single term.

    “The period of award begins when the student-athlete receives any benefits as a part of the student’s grant-in-aid on the first day of classes for a particular academic term, or the first day of practice,whichever is earlier, and continues until the conclusion of the period set forth in the financial aid agreement.
    The period of award of a multiyear grant-in-aid may include one or more academic years of no athletically related
    financial aid after the first academic year in which athletically related aid is provided, including the final year of
    the award (e.g., 50 percent in year one, zero percent in year two, 50 percent in year three; 50 percent in year one,
    zero percent in year two, zero percent in year three). An athletics grant-in-aid shall not be awarded in excess of the
    student-athlete’s five-year period of eligibility.”

    “The institutional agency making a financial aid award for a regular academic year or multiple regular academic years shall give the recipient a written statement of the amount, duration, conditions and terms of the award. The chair of the regular committee or other agency for the awarding of financial aid to students generally, or the chair’s official designee, shall sign or electronically authorize
    (e.g., electronic signature) the written statement.”

    The school provides a financial agreement that spells out its length. So, if it’s just a one year agreement, at the end of the period it’s over. The S-A knows that when he\she gets it.

    Obviously, if you do this too much, or without a player’s consent (as we know happened this year with WVU) it could have huge negative impacts.

    BTW, the Manual is a beast. It’s not split into different sports, so it checks in at 440 pages.

    #67221
    Kevin Kinder
    Kevin Kinder
    Muskets: 8,975

    I can’t see a scenario where Chuggs getting a lot of playing time in Columbus is consistent with Buckeye success.

    He’s there for an emergency situation only where the two guys in front of him would be unable to play.

    #67261
    Butlereer
    Butlereer
    Muskets: 77,375
    Rank: Heisman Winner

    Chugs getting lots of PT means the starter and backup are in trouble. tOSU having to rely on Chugs to win games wouldn’t bode well for their W/L record.

    I hope tOSU relies on Chugs to get them thru the season.

    No disrespect to Chugs, but he would have been our 3rd or 4th option this year.

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