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March 5, 2019 at 9:10 am #84938
You can not fully implement Fascism, Socialism or Communism with an armed populace. They are lying when they say they don’t want to confiscate your guns folks.March 5, 2019 at 10:07 am #84949
Er, no one wants to confiscate your stupid guns. I’d like to ban assault weapons, but that’ll never happen. As for your firearms, you have a constitutional right to them, but no rights are absolute. Background checks, regulation of internet gun sales, etc. are all perfectly constitutional. BTW, you left out capitalists. Throughout American history, capitalists have used guns quite effectively (often through Pinkerton agents) to kill/intimidate exploited workers who were trying to form labor unions. As a Democrat, what I’m interested in isn’t your freaking guns. I’m interested in income inequality, climate change, stronger labor laws, universal health care, voter suppression, and a living wage. If you have a problem with any of those things, well, what can you say, you DO have a problem.March 5, 2019 at 10:21 am #84953
In Federalist 46, Alexander Hamilton explained why the right to bear arms was so fundamental in persevering American Liberty.
In Europe, governments didn’t “trust the people with arms”. However, their history was filled with examples of leaders and governments trampling on rights of the people with impunity.
This is what the founders desperately wanted to avoid.
An armed populace, the “militia” that the 2nd Amendment refers to, is an additional check on power of Government, a last resort for those who may be oppressed.
As National Review’s David French wrote:
“The Musket was the principle weapon of armed conflict in the 18th century. An American Leaving his home with a musket was on par with a member of the Continental Line. Not so with an American who possesses any number of AR-15’S or AK-47’s. The contemporary gap between civilians and the military is vast and growing”.
The advancement of weapon Technology would likely have surprised the Founders, who after all lived in an era of remarkable innovation. What would shock them is the Government would have become so powerful and capable of depriving people of their liberty in an blink of an eye.
This is exactly what 2nd Amendment rights advocates fear and what they believe is behind the “gun control” movement.
The largest mass murderers in American history is the U.S. Government. Who slaughtered the American Indians after disarming them.
And yes, The socialist Democrats want to confiscate all our firearms. Obama, Hillary and other Police state Democrats ALWAYS refers back to the Australia “Buy Back Program”. IT WASN’T VOLUNTARY, IT WAS A MANDATED CONFISCATION. WAKE UP!March 5, 2019 at 11:05 am #84964March 5, 2019 at 12:58 pm #84968
The NRA and gun manufacturers love it when consumers buy into “they want your gun” argument. Firearm prices and sales soar. They’re playing us T4WV. You were sure the government was taking your guns when Obama was President. It didn’t happen. TWICE! But the gun makers scared the crap out of people and made huge profits. Obama lived by the constitution unlike the current President. And by the way, Obama told us he didn’t want to take our guns, but you didn’t believe the truth. And you got hijacked by the NRA who represents the gun industry, not gun owners. I read your document. It also doesn’t say it wants to take guns. Only wants to restrict clips that allow terrorists to kill multiple people without reloading. You do our cause great harm when you overstate the case.March 6, 2019 at 11:14 am #85029
Chip, Chip, Chip. Stop being Naive. Democrats have said on every thing they want to pass, “IT’S GREAT FIRST STEP” or, “OUR WORK HAS JUST GOT STARTED”.
Making arms worthless in their use is the same thing as banning them.
“The Constitution of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed.” – Thomas Jefferson
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear
arms, shall not be infringed.
Funny, I Don’t see a ‘BUT’ after the end of this Constitutional right?March 6, 2019 at 6:00 pm #85073
I don’t believe for a NANOSECOND that the left wants to stop with just banning assault weapons. (Which I don’t subscribe to either.)
It IS their ultimate goal to disarm every American citizen, and anyone that believes that’s not true is either one who actually agrees with that unconstitutional “plilosophy,” or is completely naive to that FACT. And if in question, look only to the latest news for over 100 socialists in the House of Congress that have signed on to their 27 year old idiot frosh barmaid’s “green new deal” lunacy if you don’t think these whack-jobs are serious about total control and what THEY think is right, by THEM, the selected few.
And you’re 100% correct, T4WV, in how the left in this nation chips away–but more so, like a cancer that left unchecked or cut out entirely, eventually causes death. They’ve been doing it for decades, with our youth–first in the colleges and universities, then worming their way all the way down to daycares with their indoctrination, with nearly 100% compliance and support from the major media.
There is a HUGE push from the Democratic Party for socialism–and has been for many, many years. Now, they don’t even bother to cover it up anymore. And to boot, the RIGHTS, safety and security–much less PROSPERITY–of American citizens are the LAST things on their wish lists.March 7, 2019 at 9:49 am #85231
Yes NPH, you can not fully implement Fascism, Communism or Socialism with an armed populace and these Socialist Democrats know this. Rest of America need to understand this fact as well. It will be sheep to the slaughter if they don’t wake up.
“The Constitution of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed.” – Thomas JeffersonMarch 11, 2019 at 9:19 am #85701
I whole heartedly agree with Thomas Jefferson. I also whole heartedly believe that reasonable restrictions on assault weapon sales are constitutional and advantageous to public safety.March 15, 2019 at 10:13 am #863231. There is not a “BUT” and the end of the 2nd Amendment.2.No gun laws have stopped any shootings by people who intended to shoot someone. Other than the law abiding folks who needed the arms for self defense.3. We have 25,000 and counting gun laws on the books now that never stopped an evil shooter who wants to kill. Again, only stopping law abiding folks from self defense. SEE GUN FREE ZONES WHERE 93% OF THE MASS SHOOTING OCCUR.4. Assault weapons is a made up term and do not exist. Assault is an action which the weapon alone can not do. These are semi auto rifles and must have a person to operate it. It’s a fear tactic by Anti-2nd Amendment Zealots.5. How does disarming me or making it impossible to be lawfully armed to match the criminals or govt (which, many consider them the same) firepower, stop you from being in danger from violent armed thugs?To quote an American judge:“To prohibit a citizen from wearing or carrying a war arm…is an unwarranted restriction upon the constitutional right to keep and bear arms. If some cowardly and dishonorable men sometimes shoot unarmed men with army pistols or guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary and gallows, and not by a general deprivation of constitutional privilege.” [Wilson Vs. States (1878)]In reality, this is not about stopping “gun violence” this is about stopping the ability of the American people to resist Fascism, Socialism or Communism. Wake up and stop being sheep the leftist in this country want you to be.
I whole heartedly agree with Thomas Jefferson. I also whole heartedly believe that reasonable restrictions on assault weapon sales are constitutional and advantageous to public safety.March 15, 2019 at 10:16 am #86325BTW, if you are worried so much about “public safety” why wouldn’t you want to ban hand guns? They are used 100 times more in crime than the so called “assault” rifles. That doesn’t even make sense.
I whole heartedly agree with Thomas Jefferson. I also whole heartedly believe that reasonable restrictions on assault weapon sales are constitutional and advantageous to public safety.March 16, 2019 at 7:48 pm #86518
I didn’t address handguns because they have a legitimate private purpose. Assault weapons have no practical use except to inflict multiple injuries and deaths. Again, I support the right of Americans to bear arms, just think there absolutely be some common sense regulations around them.March 17, 2019 at 3:16 pm #86541
I didn’t address handguns because they have a legitimate private purpose. Assault weapons have no practical use except to inflict multiple injuries and deaths. Again, I support the right of Americans to bear arms, just think there absolutely be some common sense regulations around them.
The arms at the time this amendment was written had in mind that the citizens had the right to bear the same arms that the very government possessed in order to overthrow the tyranny the ruled and enslaved them. It’s that simple. That was the whole premise of the amendment–to be on equal terms.
Fast-forward to a time where arms development includes not only thing such as we’ve seen with artillery, tanks, submarines and such, but particularly nuclear warfare, and it’s an impossibility to even think to compete with one’s own government on their terms. But the premise remains the same.
The issue at hand is that the founding fathers who made this declaration, was that if future generations ever faced the same thing within our own new borders, that those within would have a fair way of defending what they know is right–sacrificing EVERYTHING, if necessary, to defeat oppression as they ultimately demonstrated.
This imparted, our forefathers hadn’t had to face many of the things we, as a nation face today. Such as overt socialism, fascism and multitudes that are overthrowing our borders and invading our nation on a DAILY basis as we speak. And to bring up what happened on September 11th would require a whole new topic of discussion, rearing it’s ugly head in what surfaced in the White House, of all places, for not one, but TWO terms in the undoing of our nation, just seven years removed from that reality.
If you’re being honest, you know that the left is VERY clear about how they feel about firearms–and the threat it imposes on their utter control, be it “assault weapons” or a BB gun. And there are PLENTY of examples of that nonsense around the world, some of them from our own true allies. The examination of those facts leaves absolutely, positively NO room for debate. Period.
A growing number of us see the writing on the wall. And are speaking out.March 18, 2019 at 9:57 pm #86660
You nullify your own argument. You say it’s impossible for citizens to be armed as well as the government, but argue…what exactly? Some conspiracy theory? We need common sense gun laws. I believe in the right to bear arms. Most logical thinkers on both sides of this issue do. Certainly the vast majority of the voting public do. You are fighting ghosts. You believe in leftist conspiracy theories that will never win a majority. In fact, an unwillingness to enact reasonable gun safety requirements gives the radical left the only chance it has to win to win the day.March 18, 2019 at 11:04 pm #86664
Folks throw around terms like “Enact – Laws – Requirements.” Murder, mass shootings, etc are perpetrated by CRIMINALS. By definition lawbreakers. Criminals don’t give a damn about laws or requirements. But they are cowards, because they pick soft targets for both individual gun related crimes or for mass shootings. We would be far better protected for each of us to be armed or in the case of places of gathering, make them hard targets rather than soft targets. Remember, these criminals are cowards.
By the way, during the Cold War, both sides war gamed the end game of invasion after the nuclear exchanges. The biggest head scratcher for the Soviets? The fact that the American populace is armed. They pulled out of Afghanistan with their tail between their legs and were painfully aware of the impact of an armed populace fighting guerilla warfare.March 19, 2019 at 6:29 pm #86755
It may be easier to respond here, with how confusing it is to quote someone, particularly when trying to form paragraphs to make things sensible and better to follow discussion.
Cc first: What I meant to convey, was that it’s impossible for militias to revolt and defend this nation as they ultimately had to do when this nation is defended, but their right to do that is secured by the second amendment. It’s that simple.
Personally, I have always cringed when those that support the right to possess automatic weapons, but I support their right to do so. They are NOT the problem. That’s factual, no matter how it’s spun. I also think that the overwhelming majority of those folks are law abiding citizens–as opposed to what is inherently true of the absolute filth that has plagued our major cities for far too long (almost ALWAYS drug related), but especially when vote-snatching is and has been rampant for decades by those they terrorize within their own communities. And those are white liberals, plain and simple, that seek to control votes by pumping out propaganda though the MSM.
Couple that with the nutjobs that get their hands on these types of weapons, and it just justifies the arguments of the anti-gunners. And supports their baseless claims–particularly when it involves school shootings. It’s insane.
That said, it all boils down to a godless society that’s become that way due to legislation–taking God out of what this nation was founded on. The destruction of the family unit.
I implore you to take a sobering look at the party you support and ask some hard questions as they relate to your well-being and that of those you’ll leave behind.
Why don’t we simply enforce the laws that are already on the books? Why do we keep electing liberal judges that continue to not enforce them? Why do we, as a society insist on throwing out very simple guidelines like the Ten Commandments (that to my knowledge is still displayed in the House of Congress, along with an opening prayed that by law, is banned in public schools) and continue to educate our own children on exactly what this nation was founded on in the first place–but instead INSIST that those that worship false deities receive more rights and protection than those of us that are children of them that wrote our very constitution?
Christian fundamentalism was not only what this nation was founded on, it’s worked quite well for over two centuries, thrusting it to heights unseen over the millennia–so much so, people are gathering by the thousands to breach our borders just to get a shot at it.
And THAT’S the stark difference between us and the Soviets.
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