The Cause And Effect Of WVU’s Defensive Struggles

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    Greg Hunter
    Greg Hunter
    Muskets: 6,596

    The Cause And Effect Of WVU’s Defensive Struggles MORGANTOWN, W.Va. — Everyone involved with the Mountaineer football seems to have received some deg
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    #76579

    Ccteam
    Muskets: 85,854
    Rank: Heisman Winner

    Can Ferns and or Qualls make a difference in the bowl game. Is Tonkery going to be ready?

    #76580

    Ccteam
    Muskets: 85,854
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    I have tended to support Gibson’s decision to keep the scheme and go with the next man up at backer philosophy. But with weeks to prepare, maybe a dose of Butlereer’s thinking should be applied. Can WV work in a few 4 or even 5 man fronts?

    #76589
    Greg Hunter
    Greg Hunter
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    I doubt WVU changes its scheme much for the bowl game. Maybe a couple of plays with a four-man front, but really there is not as much time to prepare as you think. WVU hasn’t practiced since the Oklahoma game, as coaches have been on the road recruiting. They will reconvene to start practice tomorrow, but with finals at WVU next week, those practices will be a bit hit and miss. That means West Virginia will really get started with its bowl prep on Dec. 15, which is only 13 days prior to the bowl. Not time to make huge changes like the old days.

    WVU’s best hope for improved defense is to get a few people healthy. Shea Campbell, who had a stinger, probably will be ready. Tonkery, recovering from a pulled groin, hopefully will be close, but not a guarantee. Ferns will certainly continue to be a special teams factor, but doubt he’s ready to see much true defensive action since he has so little practice time there this year. Qualls, who hasn’t played in a game yet, could get a few snaps, but it’s hard to see a guy who hasn’t played all year being a huge difference maker. The hope for me is a healthy Tonkery and Campbell.

    #76594

    rstambau
    Muskets: 1,460
    Rank: Redshirt

    Last two games were more than an injured linebacker being out. Rewatch the game and count missed tackles and missed assignments. The OU running backs weren’t being touched until they got to the safeties. We barely touched Murray all game. Seemed like defensive breakdowns and effort was the problem not missing a starting linebacker. Didn’t we have the same defensive line-up in the TCU game that we had for the last two games? We have to find pass rushers that can get to the QB.

    #76611
    Butlereer
    Butlereer
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    Last two games were more than an injured linebacker being out. Rewatch the game and count missed tackles and missed assignments. The OU running backs weren’t being touched until they got to the safeties. We barely touched Murray all game. Seemed like defensive breakdowns and effort was the problem not missing a starting linebacker. Didn’t we have the same defensive line-up in the TCU game that we had for the last two games? We have to find pass rushers that can get to the QB.

    That pass rush isn’t going to come from our backup LB’s. You said it well when talking about missed assignments. That isn’t going to change with the same guys in there ….. the same backups. Their foot speed just isn’t what it needs to be. And asking those undersized, slow backup LB’s to be pass rushers to me just doesn’t seem like it’s a good game plan.

    I’m certainly no genius and have never coached at this level but knowing that you have your best group of players up front and not utilizing them to their fullest just seems like a disaster waiting to happen.

    #76616
    Butlereer
    Butlereer
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    I have tended to support Gibson’s decision to keep the scheme and go with the next man up at backer philosophy. But with weeks to prepare, maybe a dose of Butlereer’s thinking should be applied. Can WV work in a few 4 or even 5 man fronts?

    Next man up certainly is the way to go if you have the horses behind the 1st team to do it. We were struggling all year long trying to get a 1st team of LB’s together let alone plug in next man up. I don’t profess to be a coach by any means but know that in any situation, FB, any sport or even business, you put your best people on the front line and adjust to get your best people out there. If it means tweaking your game plan, then you tweak your game plan. Don’t have to overhaul it completely, but changes to get the best set of pass rushers on the field may get more penetration and less time for the WR’s to find open field.

    #76618

    rstambau
    Muskets: 1,460
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    Watched and rewatched the game.  Our defensive line(that were all first string players) got crushed in that game.  Some of the tackles for loss and sacks have to come from defensive ends and not all linebackers. We just can’t get off blocks.  We still had Long in there and Stewart is fast at LB. Stills will be a good DE pass rusher. His stats were comparable to the starters and he played like 20% of the time.  Maybe we can improve for the bowl game.

    #76623
    Butlereer
    Butlereer
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    Stewart may be fast, but he’s barely the size of a CB.
    Our DL can’t get off the blocks because they were double teamed almost every play. 5 or 6 on 3 all day long.
    Stills will be a good DE rush guy. As good as he was it is questioned why he only played 20% of the time.

    Sorry, I’m just not a fan of the way we play the 3 man DL. It would be different if we had the horses at LB and S to help with pressure, but we don’t. At least not this year.

    #76710

    rstambau
    Muskets: 1,460
    Rank: Redshirt

    Good points.

    #76779
    Kevin Kinder
    Kevin Kinder
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    Not arguing against these points. Maybe it will be a necessity. But, changing to a four-man front is a pretty big step, because it also changes the run fits of the linebackers and other second levels of the defense. Not saying it’s complicated, but its different, and how many reps will you have to hone that?

    I’d suspect WVU doesn’t use all of its allotted practices either, just like last year.

    Finally, if David Long doesn’t play, that makes it even worse. At that point, it could be that a four-man line is the only realistic option.

    #76788

    Ccteam
    Muskets: 85,854
    Rank: Heisman Winner

    This bowl game is a farce. What would be penalty if WV declined bid at this point?

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