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    In accordance with Big 12 Conference men’s basketball interruption guidelines, West Virginia’s games against TCU (Jan. 16) and Oklahoma State (Jan. 19
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    What the heck is going on down there?  All of the sudden the bottom falls out.


    covid sucks….


    and blows . . .


    This is no surprise. Once a player is ruled out with eiher a positive test or via contact tracting, he or she is going to be out until they eiher test negative for X number of consecutive days or until they get out of the prescribed isolation period for contract tracing.




    Unfortunately I’ve had experience with the COVID mandates for isolation. If you test positive, you are supposed to self-isolate for 10 days from the time of your first symptom. If you have contact with a person who tests positive, you are supposed to quarantine for 14 days from the time of contact. That longer quarantine for contact may seem odd, but it’s to allow for the incubation period of COVID to run before putting that person in back into the public realm. With that time frame in mind, you can see why WVU’s players, at least some of whom apparently tested positive on Jan. 11, won’t be able to come back until the middle of next week, at the earliest. Unless they can test out, those players who are contact traced may have to wait until Jan. 25. Big 12 teams reportedly has a threshold where a team needs a minimum of 6 available scholarship players or the game is postponed.


    So, here’s the question about quarantining.  Is it isolation quarantining or can you quarantine with others that are also quarantined?


    If you quarantine it does not absolutely mean you are infected, it simply means you are at risk for infection.  So you quarantine in isolation.  If you quarantine with others who are also quarantining, and one develops an infection and the others would not otherwise have  developed an infection, then the other ones who were quarantining with you could also become infected from you.  So everyone quarantines in isolation.

    Greg, when my wife tested positive this past September when we were in Michigan her requirements were 10 days minimum quarantine, or 3 days beyond her last symptoms, but not longer than 14 days.  That may have been only the protocol adopted by Michigan.

    After my wife tested positive I tested negative.  Even with the negative test I had to quarantine for 10 days after my test results unless I subsequently developed symptoms.  Since that did not happen I can’t say for sure what the protocol would have been had I developed symptoms.


    Cinci – We went by what the Mon County Health Department told us to do. I don’t know if that was different than other areas or if the protocols changes with time – our infection was early December. My daughter came down with COVID, and she apparently infected me. My wife, who lives in the same house as the both of us, never had symptoms and tested negative many times through the whole ordeal. Go figure that. We all stayed isolated in our house during our quarantine, and we even did what we could to isolate from each other, especially my wife since she was negative. Fortunately we had enough bathrooms and bedrooms to live separately for a couple weeks. It wasn’t fun, but neither my daughter nor I ever developed serious symptoms, so we were much luckier than many others.


    The CDC has an interesting table that shows the death rate for coronavirus by age group as a comparison versus other age groups.

    The comparison age group is 18-29 years of age.  In other words, this age group forms the base line death rate for comparison.

    For the other age groups they show the following death rate data:

    0-4       9x lower

    5-17      16x lower

    30-39   4x higher

    40-49   10x higher

    50-64   30x higher

    65-74   90x higher

    75-84   220x higher

    85+     630x higher


    That’s interesting Cinci, do you know if that is solely based on positive cases or if they tried to account for decreased testing in asymptomatic persons, which I would guess has a correlation to age group as well.  I also wonder if that partially accounts for the 0-4 age group (less testing) being lower than the 5-17.


    So, Greg, since the three of you were in the same house, is that isolating?  Were you ever in the same room?  Ventilation in the house restricted?

    Point being, can players that are isolating for the same period of time associate with each other?  I’m sure they are around someone during that time or it wouldn’t be isolation.  Are they seeing doctors?  Trainers if needed?  Training table off the table????  Is it total isolation?

    Then, if they can associate with a select few, can they  watch film with a coach/staff member?  What about shoot with a staff member watching / rebounding?  If that, can they shoot with another player?

    So, what is the definition of isolation?  Can you isolate together?  Can we categorize this like a leper colony and get thru this together?  Or does this have to be like prison isolation where you don’t see the light of day for 14 days and they slide your food thru a slot under the door?


    What are you driving at?  This feels like some kind of setup for a gotcha moment.  I thought Cinci already answered part of that pretty well.


    Yes, he did say quarantining was in isolation.  But is that really reasonable for a household?  Was his or Greg’s total isolation?   Are college kids going to stay completely away from everybody for 14 days?  Is it even possible?


    What’s interesting in these discussions are a couple of things that should be analyzed:
    Why one person doesn’t get infected that’s in close proximity to others that are infected?
    Why some people get deadly sick and others don’t?
    Granted there are a multitude of variety here but there could also be a certain pattern or single element of causation!
    There have been some anecdotal theories offered such as dna, blood type, etc. but nothing definite.
    And exactly how do you get it?


    I had already been in prolonged contact with my wife when she tested positive.  And a significant period of time had elapsed since her only known contact with someone else who tested positive.  The key word there being “known”.  We do not know where she came in contact with the virus.  Maybe the person who ended up being positive, maybe somewhere else.  So there was no sense in us staying separated after she tested positive.  But no one else was in the house with us and we practiced contactless pick up and deliver during that period.

    I also know someone who works with one of the local banks.  His wife tested positive.  They have 3 children.  His wife confined herself to their bedroom for 10 days in an attempt to keep from infecting them.  The husband and children lived and slept in the rest of the house, fixed her meals for her, they had a bathroom in the bedroom she occupied.  Nothing special about their HVAC system.  Not perfect but for them it worked.  No one else in the family tested positive or showed symptoms.  Sounds similar to what Greg did.  And I suspect what almost all others do in similar situations, including athletes.

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