Hunter’s Notebook: Player Movement

Hunter’s Notebook: Player Movement Inside And Outside WVU


Former Mountaineer quarterback Chris Chugunov is transferring to Ohio State, Allan Taylor of MetroNews has reported via Twitter. Chugunov will be eligible immediately because he’s a graduate transfer.

After deciding to leave West Virginia following the 2017 season, Chugunov reportedly was having difficulty finding a home at a Division I program. But his patience apparently has paid off in terms of landing a scholarship from a Power 5 program. Ohio State has had some quarterback defections of its own this offseason, which left it thin at the position in terms of its desired numbers. Sophomore Dwayne Haskins is a rock-solid starter at QB for the Buckeyes, and redshirt freshman Tate Martell is slated to be his backup. True freshman Matthew Baldwin is a highly regarded quarterback prospect, but OSU is hoping to redshirt him this year, meaning that after Haskins and Martell, the only other QB available for the Bucks is walk-on Kory Curtis.

Chris Chugunov

Thus needing help and having a scholarship available, Ohio State quarterback coach Ryan Day went looking for a quarterback who could fill the role of the third-string quarterback this year, and he landed upon Chugunov. Although the 6-foot-1, 203-pounder from Skillman, N.J., struggled in replacing an injured Will Grier in WVU’s final three games of the 2017 season, losing all three while completing a combined 33-of-74 passing for 454 yards with two interceptions and two touchdowns, since the business major obtained his bachelor’s degree in just three years from West Virginia University, he is eligible at another FBS program right away and he will have two years of eligibility remaining. And he has seen action in 10 games at the major college level.

Chugunov is not yet on the Ohio State roster, as reportedly he won’t join the team for practice until the start of the fall semester at OSU, which is Aug. 21. At that point, he’ll have 11 days to get ready for the Buckeyes’ opener, which is against Oregon State on Sept. 1.

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There are a few position moves to report for the Mountaineers, one of which also has Ohio State angle.

Josh Norwood is a native of Valdosta, Ga., who started his college career at Ohio State. But after redshirting his first year with the Buckeyes and then playing mainly on special teams his second, Norwood decided to leave Columbus and look for a new home. After a stop at Northwest Mississippi Community College for the fall of 2017, where he was a first-team all-region defensive back, he enrolled at West Virginia this past January.

WVU defensive coordinator Tony Gibson initially envisioned the 5-foot-10, 174-pound Norwood at safety, where his big-hitting ability overshadowed his small size. But as preseason camp progressed, Norwood got more and more practice time at cornerback, and it appears that he’s likely to stay at that position. Hakeem Bailey, Derrek Pitts and Keith Washington are the other corners at the top of the pecking order at that spot, though who exactly will be the starters has not yet been defined.

Norwood came into fall camp listed as the backup at free safety behind starter Kenny Robinson. Norwood’s move to corner left WVU with a need at safety, so the Mountaineers swapped out Sean Mahone, who had previously been a cornerback, to the free safety position. Mahone, a third-year sophomore, is competing with E.J. Brown for the backup role at free safety. At the spur, behind senior starter Dravon Askew-Henry, junior Deamonte Lindsay is in a battle for the No. 2 spot with true freshman Kwantel Raines. And at the bandit position, where senior Toyous Avery is the starter, junior Jovanni Stewart is the likely backup with Bridgeport, W.Va., native Dante Bonamico behind him.

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One former safety not in contention for a spot on the defensive side is Ricky Johns. The 6-foot-3, 193-pounder from North Wales, Pa., spent last fall and spring at safety, but at the start of preseason camp, the Mountaineers moved the redshirt freshman to wide receiver. According to WVU receiver coach Tyron Carrier, Johns shows promise at his new position, but he’s still raw.

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With the start of the fall semester at WVU on Wednesday, the Mountaineer football team will move into its regular practice schedule with the beginning of classes.

Besides the change in West Virginia’s practice schedule, its roster will also change. FBS programs are only allowed to have 110 players participate in preseason camp prior to start of classes. (That number used to be 105 but increased to 110 in recent years.) After classes start at each school, the number of players involved in practice can grow to whatever a school wants. Obviously no more than 85 can be on scholarship at any one time, but there is no limit to the number of walk-ons who can join the team. The Mountaineer roster typically numbers between 120 to 130 once classes start. Above that, according to the coaches, it becomes unwieldy.

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This week West Virginia head coach Dana Holgorsen revealed a couple players who have gone from walk-on status to scholarship player. Sophomore placekicker Evan Staley, who is a native of Romney, W.Va., and junior linebacker Shea Campbell, who is a native of Morgantown, W.Va., now each will receive a full grant-in-aid.

With these latest additions to the scholarship rolls, the Mountaineer football program has in the neighborhood of 77 players currently on full scholarship.

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Two walk-on transfers who were previously slated to join the Mountaineers are no longer on the roster. Mason Rutherford, a wide receiver grad transfer from Delaware State, and kicker Sam Trapuzzano, who had spent last year at Cornell, are not listed on WVU’s roster. It is unlikely either will be part of West Virginia football program in the future.

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Offensive lineman Chase Behrndt and tight ends Eric Sjostedt and Matt Bezjak were among those not dressed for recent practices. Each participated in the normal routine of physical conditioning for those who aren’t cleared for contact.

 

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  • #66930
    Greg Hunter
    Greg Hunter
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    Hunter’s Notebook: Player Movement Inside And Outside WVU Allan Taylor of MetroNews has reported via Twitter that former Mountaineer quarterback Chris
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    #66942
    Butlereer
    Butlereer
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    Rank: Heisman Winner

    Good for Chugs. I hope he sees a lot of playing time in Columbus.

    One thing that is still concerning is the total number of schollie players. Before giv2 walk-ons the recent schollies we were 10 below the limit. Just think what we could have done with depth at some of the very thin positions with 10 more schollie players.

    It may take a few years for Holgs to get those numbers back up to 85 again.

    #66974

    Ccteam
    Muskets: 62,003
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    Do I detect a dislike for Buckeye football in that Chuggs comment?

    #66975
    Kevin Kinder
    Kevin Kinder
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    Good for Chugs. I hope he sees a lot of playing time in Columbus.

    One thing that is still concerning is the total number of schollie players. Before giv2 walk-ons the recent schollies we were 10 below the limit. Just think what we could have done with depth at some of the very thin positions with 10 more schollie players.

    It may take a few years for Holgs to get those numbers back up to 85 again.

    It is a concern, but with the yearly limit of 25 for D1 newcomers, it can take a bit. Transfers from other D1 schools or those that have been in D1 before don’t count, so you can build up a bit more quickly with those, but everyone we talk to at WVU notes that you don’t want to give those out just to give them.

    This is our count right now.  This is always available under the Football menu at the top of any page on this site.

    #67019

    WVUWP
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    Good for Chugs. I hope he sees a lot of playing time in Columbus.

    One thing that is still concerning is the total number of schollie players. Before giv2 walk-ons the recent schollies we were 10 below the limit. Just think what we could have done with depth at some of the very thin positions with 10 more schollie players.

    It may take a few years for Holgs to get those numbers back up to 85 again.

    It is a concern, but with the yearly limit of 25 for D1 newcomers, it can take a bit. Transfers from other D1 schools or those that have been in D1 before don’t count, so you can build up a bit more quickly with those, but everyone we talk to at WVU notes that you don’t want to give those out just to give them.

    This is our count right now. This is always available under the Football menu at the top of any page on this site.

    Kevin, this is the first time I’ve heard that D1 transfers or those who have been in D1 before don’t count toward the annual limit of 25 scholarships. I’m not here to pick nits and obviously you know far more about this than I ever will, but I based just on this year’s class, I think it’s pretty obvious that everyone counts. I disagree with that rule as I think it hinders teams’ ability to rebuild to the full boat of 85 schoalrships, but it’s still the rule.

    Based on the BGN commitment list (https://bluegoldnews.com/2018-fb-commitment-list/) there are 24 players in the 2018 class. My understanding was that Tavis Lee and Angus Davies were to report late to camp and “blue shirt” (count toward next year’s class), which would take the class down to 22, with the other 3 spots being for Jabril Robinson, Kenny Bigelow, and Denzel Fisher (or a CB transfer). We now know that Davies never made it in (actually he got here and immediately turned around and left) and Fisher didn’t pan out, so the final 3 spots went to Robinson, Bigelow, and Lee. If D1 transfers and JUCOs who had previously been D1 don’t count toward the limit, Robinson, Bigelow, Norwood, Washington, and one of the Brown brothers wouldn’t have counted toward the limit of 25. Thus, if that were the case, why did we not take more in this class?

    #67028
    Greg Hunter
    Greg Hunter
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    The Alabama transfer linebacker VanDarius Cowan counts to the class of 2018 and thus takes the 25th and final scholarship in this class.

    #67030

    mexman
    Muskets: 34,065
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    Are we seeing a bit of the same RROD mistakes by Holgs? That is focusing too much on offense and particularly skill positions to the detriment of depth elsewhere, specifically on defense?

    #67033
    Greg Hunter
    Greg Hunter
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    Mex, Interesting question. I did a little digging, counting up the scholarship numbers. Of the 77 players WVU currently has on scholarship, 37 are offensive players, 37 are defensive players and three are specialists. So, right now, the scholarship numbers are split straight down the middle.

    #67054
    Butlereer
    Butlereer
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    The Alabama transfer linebacker VanDarius Cowan counts to the class of 2018 and thus takes the 25th and final scholarship in this class.

    That doesn’t answer WVUWP’s question…..
    “We now know that Davies never made it in (actually he got here and immediately turned around and left) and Fisher didn’t pan out, so the final 3 spots went to Robinson, Bigelow, and Lee. If D1 transfers and JUCOs who had previously been D1 don’t count toward the limit, Robinson, Bigelow, Norwood, Washington, and one of the Brown brothers wouldn’t have counted toward the limit of 25. Thus, if that were the case, why did we not take more in this class?”
    There are 5 in this class of 25 that went to former D1 players. If former D1 players don’t count toward the 25 why couldn’t we have filled those spots?

    #67062
    Greg Hunter
    Greg Hunter
    Muskets: 6,596

    Transfers all count towards the 25 maximum.

    #67138
    Kevin Kinder
    Kevin Kinder
    Muskets: 8,975

    Totally fumbled on this issue. Not sure what I was thinking of. My apologies.

    I am reading through the NCAA Manual now as penance.

    #67145
    Butlereer
    Butlereer
    Muskets: 77,375
    Rank: Heisman Winner

    Kevin, D1 transfers not counting would have been a great thought…… but….. So, while you’re reading the manual, get out the BB manual and show us where it says you can give a walk on a schollie then take it back and still have him as a walk on. I’ve not been able to find that anywhere. And the exact wording of giving a schollie to a 1st year player, letting him play under that schollie for a year or so and then him giving it up to another player and then walking on. This is a very foggy area that has been tested a few times in the past.

    #67148
    Butlereer
    Butlereer
    Muskets: 77,375
    Rank: Heisman Winner

    Do I detect a dislike for Buckeye football in that Chuggs comment?

    What would make you think that there is a dislike for tOSU in my comment?
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    Ummm, Sir, you are correct. The _uckeyes (insert any letter here) seem to buy their way out of every problem, buy their way into many recruits.

    #67187

    Ccteam
    Muskets: 62,003
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    I can’t see a scenario where Chuggs getting a lot of playing time in Columbus is consistent with Buckeye success.

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    WVUWP
    Muskets: 14,260
    Rank: All-American

    I can’t see a scenario where Chuggs getting a lot of playing time in Columbus is consistent with Buckeye success.

    Exactly!

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    WVUWP
    Muskets: 14,260
    Rank: All-American

    Totally fumbled on this issue. Not sure what I was thinking of. My apologies.

    I am reading through the NCAA Manual now as penance.

    Don’t beat yourself up, Kevin! I just wanted to make sure I wasn’t missing something.

    I thought Lee took the last scholly rather than Cowan, since Lee is eligible to play this season and Cowan is not. At least that’s what I would have done. Of course, I could be wrong there too.

    #67220
    Kevin Kinder
    Kevin Kinder
    Muskets: 8,975

    Kevin, D1 transfers not counting would have been a great thought…… but….. So, while you’re reading the manual, get out the BB manual and show us where it says you can give a walk on a schollie then take it back and still have him as a walk on. I’ve not been able to find that anywhere. And the exact wording of giving a schollie to a 1st year player, letting him play under that schollie for a year or so and then him giving it up to another player and then walking on. This is a very foggy area that has been tested a few times in the past.

    My first guess is this: since scholarships don’t have to be guaranteed for four years, the situation you are talking about would be permitted without specific language. That is, at the end of year two, the coach says you aren’t getting your scholly renewed for next year, and there’s nothing that prevents that.

    Here’s a couple of related statements from the manual. I’m not a lawyer, so those of you who may be, feel free to chime in:

    “Institutional financial aid may be awarded for any term during which a student-athlete is in regular attendance as an undergraduate with eligibility remaining under Bylaw 12.8, or as a graduate eligible under Bylaw 14.6.”

    This phrase appears more than once, and seems to set the parameters for aid “for any term”. As in, any single term.

    “The period of award begins when the student-athlete receives any benefits as a part of the student’s grant-in-aid on the first day of classes for a particular academic term, or the first day of practice,whichever is earlier, and continues until the conclusion of the period set forth in the financial aid agreement.
    The period of award of a multiyear grant-in-aid may include one or more academic years of no athletically related
    financial aid after the first academic year in which athletically related aid is provided, including the final year of
    the award (e.g., 50 percent in year one, zero percent in year two, 50 percent in year three; 50 percent in year one,
    zero percent in year two, zero percent in year three). An athletics grant-in-aid shall not be awarded in excess of the
    student-athlete’s five-year period of eligibility.”

    “The institutional agency making a financial aid award for a regular academic year or multiple regular academic years shall give the recipient a written statement of the amount, duration, conditions and terms of the award. The chair of the regular committee or other agency for the awarding of financial aid to students generally, or the chair’s official designee, shall sign or electronically authorize
    (e.g., electronic signature) the written statement.”

    The school provides a financial agreement that spells out its length. So, if it’s just a one year agreement, at the end of the period it’s over. The S-A knows that when he\she gets it.

    Obviously, if you do this too much, or without a player’s consent (as we know happened this year with WVU) it could have huge negative impacts.

    BTW, the Manual is a beast. It’s not split into different sports, so it checks in at 440 pages.

    #67221
    Kevin Kinder
    Kevin Kinder
    Muskets: 8,975

    I can’t see a scenario where Chuggs getting a lot of playing time in Columbus is consistent with Buckeye success.

    He’s there for an emergency situation only where the two guys in front of him would be unable to play.

    #67261
    Butlereer
    Butlereer
    Muskets: 77,375
    Rank: Heisman Winner

    Chugs getting lots of PT means the starter and backup are in trouble. tOSU having to rely on Chugs to win games wouldn’t bode well for their W/L record.

    I hope tOSU relies on Chugs to get them thru the season.

    No disrespect to Chugs, but he would have been our 3rd or 4th option this year.

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