Lack Of Games In Charleston Remains A Glaring Oversight

Lack Of Games In Charleston Remains A Glaring Oversight


West Virginia University recently released the non-conference portion of its 2019-20 men’s basketball schedule.

Bob Huggins’ crew will, of course, play in Morgantown, and it also has trips set to Pittsburgh, Mexico, New York City, Youngstown and Cleveland.

But nowhere on that slate will you see a game being played in Charleston.

This is the third straight season that the Mountaineers will not play a men’s basketball game in West Virginia’s Capital City. They last visited the Charleston Civic Center for a game early in the 2016-17 season when it met, and defeated, Western Carolina.

Prior to this latest lapse, WVU had played at least one men’s game in Charleston every season since the 1990-91 campaign.

That 1990-91 season was the last time the Marshall-West Virginia series was played on campus, and after that it moved to the Civic Center on an annual basis for the next 25 years. The Thundering Herd and Mountaineers stopped playing regular season games at any site after WVU’s 86-68 victory on Dec. 17, 2015 in Charleston.

Tired of the whining from various Marshall officials over the years, despite holding a 34-6 record over MU in games not played in Huntington, West Virginia let the series come to an end. The last straw came in 2014 when Marshall coach Dan D’Antoni indicated the Mountaineers were “afraid” of MU, even though his Herd squad had never defeated the Mountaineers. West Virginia basically told the Herd to jump off a bridge, and did not renew the contract. While the two did play an NCAA Tournament game in 2018, they haven’t met in the regular season since 2015 and there’s no indication they will in the future.

But Marshall wasn’t the only opponent WVU played in Charleston. The Mountaineers have played 96 games all-time in the Capital City, and only 27 have been against the Herd. So that leaves 69 other games they have played in Charleston since their first contest there in 1915.

Even in years when West Virginia and Marshall participated in the Capital Classic, the Mountaineers often played a second game each season at the Civic Center. During the 1999-2000 season the WVU Coliseum was closed for asbestos abatement, West Virginia nine “home” games in Charleston. In the years after that (from 2002-17), West Virginia played 13 non-Marshall games in Charleston.

But now there are none.

I’ve heard the arguments:

• Now that they are members of the Big 12, the Mountaineers travel enough, so even the relatively short trip to Charleston is a strain.

• The Civic Center crowds, which didn’t reach 8,900 in any of the four most recent games against a foe besides MU, aren’t what they used to be.

• Because of the expenses incurred through travel and renting the Civic Center, WVU can make a much greater profit simply by staying in Morgantown.

There is validity in all those, but still well over a third of the 1.8 million residents of West Virginia live within approximately an hour’s drive of Charleston. A vast majority of those are Mountaineer fans, and WVU should do all it can to cultivate them.

Playing one game a season in the Capital City seems worth the relatively small cost/inconvenience to continue feeding the large fan base in the Kanawha Valley region.

I’m not saying the Mountaineers should renew the series with Marshall. The acrimony there had grown too great, and it needs to die down.

But still West Virginia should play one other men’s basketball game per season in Charleston.

That’s not asking too much, and only seems fair to the many loyal fans in that area.

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  • #90663

    Lack Of Games In Charleston Remains A Glaring Oversight West Virginia University recently released the non-conference portion of its 2019-20 men’s bas
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    #90664

    Oversight?  Not exactly.

    Cancun challenge, Return of Pitt game, BE Challenge, SEC Challenge(home), Cleveland Classic.  Only 4 games outside of the 2 Cancun Challenge are at home.  Not enough time to play another away game.

    #90665

    Being a season ticket holder, I am not fond of the Charleston games. I know it gives the southern part of the state a chance to see WVU, but when I was a kid I lived in Beckley. My family drove to Morgantown to see basketball games not Charleston. So there are weekend games….If this is a way to get the legislature to get more funds…don’t like that either. If it is a game that the other team doesn’t want to play us in Morgantown then maybe… No, not fond of the idea. I do have family that is tied to the Charleston Civic center Coliseum or whatever it is now called..

    #90666

    Of all the factors listed, the ability to generate a profit is probably the dominant one.  Also, with the number of games televised now, not sure that holding the games in the area holds as much sway as before.  Used to be, especially for the games normally scheduled there, if you were going to see them, you had to go to them.

    #90670

    The only way to make a profit in a game in Charleston is the city to form a small tournament game where it cost no money to make a trip. Charleston can not foot the bill to bring in teams. WVU should not have to play in Charleston. That’s a 2 1/2 hour trip. It’s more like a road game for them.

    If a game should be played then play an Alumni game vs WVU team. Take the money and donate to the Ronald McDonald House in Charleston.

    #90672

    Oh for God’s sake listen to yourselves.  We’re talking a tiny percentage of the overall basketball budget and an even lesser percentage of the athletic department budget.

    That 2 1/2 hour drive being referred to . . . well, the long suffering fans from the greater Charleston area make that commute all the time to attend games at Morgantown.  Considering the size of the fan base in that area, to say nothing of their donations to the MAC, the idea of stiffing them a game in Charleston once a year really appears to be both condescending and small minded from a perception standpoint to those folks.

    Using the logic expressed in this thread, then should we cancel the annual Coaches Caravan to the southern part of the state where we go down there every year with our hand out for their money?

    #90674

    If want to see a game in Charleston, then go watch the UC Golden Eagles.

    #90675

    Don’t follow the logic. Can happen every now and again but whenever it does it hurts:

    1. Revenue

    2. Home court advantage

    3. Travel time (most traveled team in continental US to begin with)

    4. Student support (understand games over breaks is the answer)

    Now give me an argument for the game beyond the “Charleston people deserve a home game”

    Honeslty the article smacks of political lobby type influence. Sorry, just call it as I see it.

     

    #90677

    Disclaimer:  When I left MI in 2007, I moved to Morgantown.  However, I was born in Charleston & the folks moved to Putnam County when I was 5.  I see both perspectives here & I still think that 1 game a year in Charleston is an imperative for the following reasons:

    • Fan base in that area
    • Donor base in that area
    • Flagship university presence in the capitol city

    Tylerite – shall that region’s WVU donors begin sending their donations to UC?  My wife is a UC alumnus, but we donate to WVU and there are other similar situations down there where like us, one spouse went to WVU like me & the other went to some other WV school.  We don’t want to play a BB game down there, then why are we all too pleased to send the coaches down there a couple times a year with their hands out?

    Mex – my assumption was the date would be during breaks & before conference play begins like around Thanksgiving break or the extended Christmas break. There is some revenue loss, but in scheme of the total budget, it is minimal.  The former annual game with MU sickened me due to its stated purpose of pandering to the legislature.  I assure you my feelings on this subject are not politically motivated.

    #90678

    This article was weak sauce. Wa!

    #90693

    By this logic, then Marshall should play a game in Wheeling.  SMH

    #90694

    The poor donor base of Charleston… give me a break. Shall we play a game in Parkersburg as well?

    No strong argument for the game.

    #90697

    Tylerite – MU isn’t the flagship university and even should they want to play some games around the state, other than Cabell, Wayne, & Western Putnam Counties, they would have a hard time drawing enough fans to even start a fight.  WVU on the other hand will draw.

    Mex – no, not P’burg.  No adequate arena.  Not the case with Charleston, where there is one.  The strength of the argument, like beauty, is in the eyes of the beholder. 😉

    #90699

    I want a game in Cabo but a couple in Cancun will suffice

    #90704

    WVUFanin MI……..”Oh for God’s sake listen to yourselves.  We’re talking a tiny percentage of the overall basketball budget and an even lesser percentage of the athletic department budget.

    That 2 1/2 hour drive being referred to . . . well, the long suffering fans from the greater Charleston area make that commute all the time to attend games at Morgantown.  Considering the size of the fan base in that area, to say nothing of their donations to the MAC, the idea of stiffing them a game in Charleston once a year really appears to be both condescending and small minded from a perception standpoint to those folks.

    Using the logic expressed in this thread, then should we cancel the annual Coaches Caravan to the southern part of the state where we go down there every year with our hand out for their money?”

    Oh woe is me….. the “Long Suffering Fans from the greater Charleston area”   What about the long suffering fans in the Northern Panhandle?  In Pittsburgh?  In the Martinsburg area?  In DC?

    Fact is that this year there is no room on the schedule for another away game.  Students don’t attend a game in Charleston so you take one more home game away.  There is a loss of revenue for the program every time we play in Charleston.  And when we do play there they don’t fill up the Charleston Arena.  Would be much different if they sold all the tickets available.

    Woe is me…….. Poor Charleston fans can’t make the trip for an OOC game.

    #90705

    I live in Charleston and can see why they shouldn’t travel to Charleston. The Civic Center crowds, which didn’t reach 8,900 in any of the four most recent games against a foe. WVU can make a much greater profit simply by staying in Morgantown.Will they ever play another game in Charleston? Yes I think they do. But why does it have to be every year?

    #90752

    How about an annual “Hot Rod Classic” tribute game against a locaL Kentucky or Virginia team that would fill the stands!?

    #90753

    KY or VA teams for an annual “Hot Rod Classic” would fill the Coli.

    Unless you’re suggesting playing a Mid/Low major team in Charleston.

    #90757

    A game against KU or VU in Charleston would be ridiculous!

     

    #90761

    Tony – considering that East Bank is just up the Kanawha from Charleston where Cabin Creek empties, why not make it the WVU Hall of Famers Classic honoring West, Hundley, and even Rod Thorn who hails from down the Turnpike in Princeton?  The opponents could be a rotating assortment of KY or VA or even OH teams.

    If you make it “an event”, other than “an event” to pander to the Legislature, chances are far better for selling out the arena, though considering Allen’s point about the less than 10,000 attendance for the last 4 games, I would say that the Charleston Convention & Business team should ratchet up their promotional apparatus.  The other thing should be some pain sharing on costs between the arena folks and WVU – that past practice that pushed much of the cost on WVU, was extremely ill advised and just served to give fuel to the resistance of a game that for all intents and purposes should have been a positive instead of a negative.

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